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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 10, 2009 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

If we're honest, most of us are still picking up the pieces.

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 10, 2009 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

I thought I could work and stream the grateful dead but I think the paint is going to peel off the walls. Or my co-workers will look in my office and I will be dancing, or crying, or both.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 10, 2009 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Just be sure to spend some time in 68--specifically, 10-12-68 and 12-29-68 will assist in paint removal...trust me.

And welcome aboard, again (I think?).

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 12, 2009 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Don't start just in October 1968 -- try August, like 8-21-68 too.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 12, 2009 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Oh yeah...a few from Aug, a few from Oct, then a couple from Dec. Admittedly, those would all be the "fast fall 68" versions, but add in the all important Jun 68 ones, and you have a great start.

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 10, 2009 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Yeah, I'm hanging around and clicking kind of hysterically on things. I start making lists but the next day I don't know what the lists mean, and I'll find some show that just practically causes me to have seizures, and then the next day I can't find it . . . or I'll take someone's advice to listen to a succession of, say, Althea's from different years, but I get lost in some other inconceivably mind-melting show and forget that I was going to learn all about Althea or Saint Stephen or whatever.

But it's all good 'cus then someone will post some other list titled "You've got to listen to this" and I'm off.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 10, 2009 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

One point: Learn about StSt...first...get back to Althea later (good song, but it can wait).

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 10, 2009 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes


William Tell, I gather from your name as well as from general lurking for a bit that Saint Stephen is your song. Would you please explain for a (sort of) newbie what is the story with the "High green chilly winds" part? Why didn't they usually sing this part? It's in the official lyrics but I actually didn't ever hear it sung till I got Live Dead. Or have I just not been around much?

I'm guessing you'll be happy to recommend your favorite Saint Stephens, or direct me to a thread where they're listed? I'm kind of obsessed with this song at the moment.

Thanks to the rest of you, too - I'll treat the recommendations as the next things to play.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 10, 2009 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

That part is called (go figger) the"William Tell Bridge" seems to have fallen along the wayside, but Brother Tell, I'm sure can explain much better... Or Cliff Hucker for that. Do take High Flow's advice on the Dr Flashback reviews, always very reliable!

And hello Diana! Idon't get around here often, used to be a pretty regular member of this gang of Bozos... Or is it Bolos???

;)

This post was modified by cush212 on 2009-11-11 03:36:24

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 10, 2009 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Hey D--great to hear it! Yep, I have probably listened to that song by far more than any other, and the beauty of it is that it changes significantly over the first three yrs that they did it, so that 68 has two "diff" versions, then even 69 (your current live dead version) morphs by 70 and even a bit in 71 (please avoid the "post hiatus" revivial versions...slooooowwwwed down and very low key).

Now, as Cushster notes, they drop the bridge largely when they stopped doing the trs into the Eleven...LiA could probably tell us the actual reason they provided for this, but it makes sense that the complex, Aoxmoxoa era songs that were dropped just all go away around this time, so it probably isn't any different than the others that were dropped (in 70 and 71 they start going into NFA instead of the 11).

Here are the ones you can stream here that give you a flavor of these versions:

6-14-68: really bad quality AUD, BUT listen to it five times over 1-2 days (really!) and you will propose marriage to me for mentioning it...well, okay, but something dramatic will happen. Trust me. This is the "Jun 68" version, of which we only have a very few copies...it is long, and Jerry cooks! And only Phil does addt'l vocals...it is most like the Aox version.

10-12-68: great "fast" 68 version (note that in the fall versions of 68 you sometimes get a different version of the bridge in which among other things, they say something odd along the lines of "...wonder if he'll nail the apple core" and so forth).

69: take your pick! Fillmore is good...long, standard version with Bob singing and usu doing the Bridge.

9-19-70: The StSt following the amazing DS getting all the attn elsewhere tonight is a great version...really nicely developed from 69, largely more refined, but close in length, etc. No bridge!

8-6-71: nice AUD here of a great 71 version, like 70.

Enjoy...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 10, 2009 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: St Stephen

The "high green chilly" bridge, at live shows, was specifically a link to the Eleven, so when they didn't go into the Eleven, they didn't do that part. And the Eleven didn't last past early 1970.
So in 1970 they got into the habit of switching to another song (usually Not Fade Away) in the middle of Stephen, after "another man spills" or "answer man".

A Dead lyrics site says of the William Tell bridge:
"This section was omitted from the version on "Aoxomoxoa" and dropped by the Dead in versions after 1969. It was only played when "Saint Stephen" segued into The Eleven. Because of this, some have questioned whether it should really be seen as part of "The Eleven" instead of part of "Saint Stephen". But Robert Hunter includes these words under "Saint Stephen" in the lyrics in his book "Box Of Rain".'

By the way, you might like the '76-78 versions of St Stephen more than Mr Tell does. The jams in the full versions can be quite exciting - for instance, try this little 12-minute version -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-06-09.set2-sbd.gardner.5426.sbeok.shnf
An example of a good one just before they retired it would be -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-01-22.sbd.popi.4974.sbeok.shnf
(There are some similar versions in fall '77.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 10, 2009 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: St Stephen

Well...maybe...but I was there in 76 and didn't recognize the tune. Argh. It was the only DEAD song that really disappointed me, that I saw live...

But, enough negativity--you've got too many to listen to to worry about it, D!

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 11, 2009 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: St Stephen

Open your mind WT- I'm with LIA on this one. 1-11-78, 1-22-78 and 12-31-78 are all well played versions worthy of repeated listening. 10-11-83 is worth a listen for the crowd response alone. I enjoy the early versions as well but how many times did Bobby sing the wrong verse after the jam?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 11, 2009 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: St Stephen

Ha! you're right about Bob--I liked the earlier ones with just Phil...I have listened to those ones (actually, based on recomm's from the Forum the first month I arrived, three years ago NOW). But thanks for the tips again. Yeah, it's just the tremendous energy and "ooomph" of the early era that seems to turn it into the "wheel"...now, that's a song I love, and if I only ever heard StSt done that way, it might be fine...totally a "personal" bias, NOT based on "true quality" (the way I like to think that, "yep, 1971 Deal kicks butt, and 1993 Deal sucks" and we all agree--more or less). Not sure if that makes sense...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 10, 2009 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

You should try freelancing and working from home - if you're careful you can cover up the cracks before your nearest and dearest return at the end of the day and ask you how your day was...

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 10, 2009 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Best thing to do is ask a question then listen to whatever show comes up.

The paint didn't look good anyway. Didn't go with the curtains.

I recommend 6/28/76 if you want to hear some crazy stuff.

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 10, 2009 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

LOL. Okay that one's on the list.

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Poster: barbwirewhipping Date: Nov 11, 2009 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

Be careful. You will turn around and your 50 year-old, foreign employee will be singing TJ to himself as he barcodes books.

Exploding is contagious.

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 11, 2009 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

LOL. It is contagious.
I'm trying to work from your list, William Tell, otoh I really like the Saint Stephen on Live Dead and the sound is so good. I've listened to the 6/14/68 once and am not quite ready to propose marriage.

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Poster: clintorus Date: Nov 11, 2009 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

good to see you back Diana... how is you head today ?

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Poster: DianaW Date: Nov 12, 2009 5:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

LOL something like that.

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Poster: clintorus Date: Nov 13, 2009 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

you made it Ms. D

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 12, 2009 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie's head explodes

That's understandable; very poor recording. Check out two versions, tracks 1 & 10 on disk four of the "68 mystery disks" (a four disk collection of undated shows, though LiA has placed most of them in a thread on the subject sometime ago). Anyhow, they are the penultimate entry for 68 (another big word there, eh?) so just scroll down to the bottom of the last page, and check those two Jun 68 era StSts to hear a cleaner version, but not as hot, as 6-14.

You really have to give the 6-14 version a number of listens as it grows on you as you begin to filter the noise...you will, trust me.

And, I am patient, more than happy to wait! I know good things will come of your pursuits, whether they include me or not...and, I always have Miss D to take care of me, the little sweetie.

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